trail boss powder 308 subsonic

110 125 130 150gr do not try 147gr FMJBTs they suck at normal velocities. 10-28-11, 21:49 #2. View Profile View Forum Posts View Articles Member Join Date Mar 2011 Location Wyoming Posts 65 Feedback Score 0. I have HEARD that this is the " go to " from a close friend who is running 2 7.62 cans. Red Dot W/ similar results) 200 grain Lapua Subsonic Bullet. Here is the load data for a 30-06 off of Hodgdon site. rifle Powder Grains FPS Grains rifle Powder Grains FPS Grains . It is primarily a pistol powder but has some application in rifles. Filling the cartridge to the actual rim of the case and seating a bullet on top will still not cause pressure signs. A 308 cartridge with a 150gr bullet loaded to max (14.0gr) with Trail Boss only produces 27,100 PSI which is way below normal pressure for the 308. Last point - so you understand, subsonic loads are basically under a specific FPS to keep it below the sound barrier. For example, with 405-grain bullets in .45-70 with a 24-inch barrel, a velocity of 1,007 fps is given. Looks like it would be ideal. The lower bore friction means there's much less chance of sticking one in the bore, and they tend to be less finicky with respect to velocity variations. I've been using Trailboss now for a couple weeks in 223 and 308 subsonic loads with what seems to be pretty decent success . A .308 silhouette load with 180 @ 1,800 fps is only 450 fps slower than a factory .308 Winchester with 180 bullet fps). Most any standard primer will work with Trail Boss. . I have a pile of hens' teeth I'd trade for more, but it's not avaialble locally or online. The 150gr flat tip projectiles plus the 150 cmj ones worked as usual. 1:10 is typical for .338 and should stabilize 250's and maybe 300's. Length will be a guess though, with a larger bore . If you can get your hands on it, it's at least worth a try (or the comparable Unique powder) for reduced lead loads. Winchester Primers. +10. As a general rule, heavy-for-caliber bullets work best because they do a better job of retaining a subsonic round's reduced energy downrange. Trail Boss granules are physically less dense (i.e. I would suggest 150gr Bullets for 10 Twist Subsonics Ive loaded 170gr laser cast subsonic with crud accuracy. This is in an AR15 Blackout with its smaller/shorter/lighter BCG than a 308 AR has. - Work with subsonic and full power ammunition without requiring adjustable gas blocks, particularly with careful powder . I'm currently midrange on the TB loads for .45LC 200 gr. I've already loaded some 168gn Trail Boss to test but can't find any data for CFE BLK. Subsonic .308 Win loads. Then fill the case to that mark with Trail Boss, pour into the scale pan and weigh. It's IMPOSSIBLE. I checked other sites and not many have tried it, and some thought the OP misread the data. B. 8 1,009. Hello, new to the forum but been doing a lot of reading recently. . The barrel: Green mountain has a 25" blank in 1:10 for $57! The impression I have is that Trailboss as a sub powder is great in bolt guns but will not cycle a gas gun due to lack of gas production. I plan to load some moving faster in the future and see how it goes. Reloader 7 (R7) also has a good reputation for subsonic 208gr and heavier projectiles. Zbroyar Z-10Помощь каналу на камеру и штатив)ПБ: 4731 2191 1695 1231Монобанк: 4441 1144 2037 7853 There is NO WAY to get overpressure from a full .308 case with Trail Boss. Because of the fluffy nature of Trail Boss powder, ignition is more consistent and propellant burn more complete with a crimp. Take 70% of this powder charge weight (multiply the maximum load from step 1 by .7), and that is your starting load. Trail Boss was designed specifically for low-velocity lead bullets suitable for Cowboy Action shooting. Also the AA5744 looks like a good match according to Accurate Arms. I started off with a lite load at just a bit over 1000fps and shoots well now. COVERBUSTER. Personally I use Bullseye for subsonic loads with cast bullets. There has been a lot of chatter on Internet sites lately about centerfire loads that fire bullets at subsonic velocities. A powder that came out a few years ago is Trail Boss. of unique behind a cast lead 200 gr. I have a Bushmaster ORC 308 that I could try Trail Boss in but I doubt the findings would differ much None were really useful. 308 Load with Titegroup. In the 308 with a 220 grain Sierra RN I am using 13.5 grains . I think 6gr is a little low if you're looking for 1000fps. if you use anything but trail boss or a similar bulky powder, be sure to stuff a cotton ball down in to the case to keep the powder from moving when it's turned horizontal. . 9.8 gr trail boss uesing 160 gr ftx and . It is not solely that. Bonus: Trail Boss is the proverbial cat's ass if you're looking for subsonic 110-115gr loads. AP2020 Merchandise https://ballisticink.com/collections/all/patriot-partner_ap2020-outdoorsPLEASE SUPPORT AP2020 and Check out These Outdoor Links on Patreon. I have gotten loads with each that come in right about an inch at 100 yards. I'd have to check my logbook but IIRC that's about 2gr too low in my rifle. So i am casting my own projectiles sized to my barrel and using trail boss powder. I use it in .204, .223, .243, five different 6.5mm chamberings, 7mm-08, .303, .30-06, 8x57mm, .44 Mag, you get the idea, I've even tried it in 12ga. Here is the loads from there: TRAIL BOSS .30-06 PLINKING LOADS. Subsonic Loads for 30-30 Win 150 Gr Cast Bullets with Trail Boss Powder Subsonic loads for 30-30 Win 150 Gr cast bullets with Trail Boss powder Quest for the perfect load. The two pistol powders I keep on hand are H-110 and Bullesey - if I could use either of those, that would be awesome, but I don't mind going out and buying what I need. Anybody shooting suppressed 308? The 1:10" twist in your Wichita pistol will stabilize any normal .308 on down to silhouette loads. Subsonic Bullet type: Sierra RN Bullet weight : 220 grain Powder type: Trail Boss Load Grain : 11.0 Subsonic Case Length : 2.005" Total length : 2.67" Ballistic coefficient: .310 AVG Muzzle velocity (FPS): 938. #2. For 220gr loads check out VithaVouri N130- look at post by civilian75 here for details. When using Trail Boss, Max pressure is gong to vary with bullet selection, while most loading procedures try to have a consistent Max pressure. 0:00 / 8:03 •. Three different loads, velocities from 1290-1390, decent accuracy. I picked up some 308 processed brass from Kaleo Arms at the gun show. Try 10gr Trail Boss 150gr Spire Point. Three different loads, velocities from 1290-1390, decent accuracy. From what I have learned, too little rifle powder can cause pressure spikes as you mentioned. Bullets, casings, scale, sharpie, cotton balls, punch tool, Trail Boss powder. I will be using Trail Boss powder get to the 1050-1100fps. These loads and others were shot with Trail Boss powder in an attempt to develop subsonic velocities (left to right): .30-06, .308 Winchester,.30-30 Winchester, .243 Winchester, .223 Remington. I tried the drilled flash hole/Clays or other standard pistol powder loads. It's primary design is for Cowboy Action type . I have ZERO fear from Trail Boss. anyone used Trailboss for subsonic .308 loads ? My research led me to Trail Boss for subsonic .308. I also run Clays in the 1911. I want these for fox control in an equestrian yard where I need to be quiet so I don't spook the horses or wake up the. I would like to load some rounds for a 30-06 for grouse while big game hunting. Attached are few samples created using lathe and 150 and 180gr round nose bullets. 30-30 bullets. None were really useful. Has anyone got any experience of reloading subsonic rounds for a .308 . No problem running jacketed bullets either, do it all the time with Trail Boss in 30-30, 7-30 & .308. I love trail boss, and h4895 for reduced velocity/low recoil loads…I load an xtreme bullets 150 gr plated bullet with trail boss…nice soft shooting load, but alliant 410 was more accurate and I had 4 pounds laying around…h4895 is good for downloading .308 with .30-30 bullets, for my woman, at 2300 fps out of a Remington 783…she loves .308 just as much as I do now…she started with . I am using jacketed projectiles. I have been loading subsonic for the whisper/300 Blackout forever and having a ball shooting supressed subsonic rounds. •. My initial experiments have been with Trail Boss because it is so bulky and takes up a lot of space, but accuracy is less than I expected with the particular bullet/rifle combo. Seems to drop foxes very effectively. that bullet was designed purely for subsonic use. If you ever feel like no one cares if you live or die, try missing a few car payments. I begin with a starting load of Accurate 5744 powder. 13.5 gr is just about supersonic and is pretty much a full case and yet pressure is . It's IMPOSSIBLE. Tested the loads today. Use proper powders. Last Sat I took a group of TRAIL BOSS loads to range. Sierra 220RN, Trail Boss 12gr, CCI250, 970fps. Bullets..It is best to use a 1:10 or 1:8 twist barrel on your weapon. They were designed to be shot subsonic in 308 I am trying to work my way up to around 1000-1050 FPS using trail boss. Going to play around with some IMR TrailBoss powder with some Sierra 150gr SPT bullets for my .308 Win. With the 308 Winchester paired with the 150 Pro-Hunter and 168 SMK, I was able to make loads that had a muzzle velocity of approximately 60% of the full power charge (1,933 feet/second for the 150 and 1,856 feet/second for the 168), but it is possible to go even slower and lighter safely, with another powder, Trail Boss. 3,727. Filling the cartridge to the actual rim of the case and seating a bullet on top will still not cause pressure signs. The large volume of this powder makes it possible to fill up a large case for a safe powder burning without the high pressures that would come into play with other smokeless powders. from the 16.8-inch carbine (2,250 fps). I searched around on the internet yesterday and it seems Tail Boss is the new standard powder for reduced subsonic loads which would work great for grouse. Will chronograph them at some stage and get them in the right speed range. In the 223 with the 60 grain Hornady V Max I'm using 4.5 grains . It is a very low-density powder and is possibly the best powder for rifle cases and cast bullets. I have been using Trail Boss and while it's good at taking up space in the case it's less accurate than I had hoped. Sep 5, 2009. My loads may not be right for your bullets/case if you are seating bullets too deep or out far. Subsonic Handloads in .308 Win - Testing Results. I bought some 170 gr round nose 30/30 bullets and a can of Trail Boss that I feel will work nice for subsonic loads. It's still subsonic like that too. COPPER BULLETS COPPER PROJECTILES. For a sub-sonic 308 load I run 180 gn Hornady SST, 10.5 gn of IMR Trail Boss and a CCI Magnum primer from a 20" 1-in-10 twist barrel. I heard the Hornady 212 ELD-X will not stabilize with slower velocities. The supersonic 208gr ones worked fine. Use a pistol length gas system with an adjustable block. Trailboss is the "fluffiest" powder I have run across and the issue of having the load shift away from the flashhole seems like it would be a non-issue with this powder. 168-172+ or more 180+ grain bullets. So, a few weeks ago i went and stocked up with powder. That makes it a good powder for subsonic loads, because it oc-cupies most of a case's capacity for powder. Trail boss is interesting powder for sure. This is what I use. Just getting into reloading and trying to work up a deer hunting load to shoot in my suppressed marlin 1895 guide gun (2016 mode). Location: Belmont, NC (Sometimes) So, I have been working 308 loads for a suppressed rifle. . On that note - cast bullets (lubed or powder coated) are far easier to work with for subsonic loads. Hodgdon Trail Boss Powder 9Oz Trail Boss was designed specifically for low velocity lead bullets suitable for Cowboy Action shooting. From what read on line so far .250" Meplat 308 bullet at 1050-1100fps should be .308 in and creating 1/2" wound channel. I bought a 16 inch barrell .308 Winchester that is at the smith's getting threaded for my Suppressor. I got some BM 8208 for high velocity loads (been using BM II until now) and some Trail Boss for reduced loads in the 223rem. YMMV but the following 308 subsonic loads have worked great for me. In my 308 Encore barrel (23 inch, 1:8 twist) I hit a good subsonic velocity at about 12gr of powder using a 220gr Sierra HPBT match bullet. .223 sized brass (trimmed to length) SRP (in my case #41 CCI) 62gr SS109 bullets 5.2gr Trail Boss (fills case nicely - does not meter to well though *donut shaped powder) OAL - 2.255 I. Accurate to 100 yds, and hits the 200 yd steel with no adjustment. I have developed subsonic loads for 300 AAC (AA1680), bolt guns 308 bolt and 6.5 creedmoor using trail boss. Up to this point Trail Boss has been portrayed as a propellant for older, large-volume revolvers and/or levergun cartridges. I made three . Not worth the risk to me. I have some loaded now but have not had a chance to try it out. Location: Belmont, NC (Sometimes) So, I have been working 308 loads for a suppressed rifle. I have a 1:12 twist barrel on my 700 P and I get marginal performance. If you take a full size case such as a . The gas system has to be short to take advantage of the pressure early in the curve-just like the Blk. I should have some chrono on the 168 gn Trail Boss soon to list. Large Rifle Magnum Primers. I have never loaded 308 before so I checked out the Hodgdon site and was surprised to see Titegroup as a powder choice. After trying a shit load of bullets the only one that shot great out of my rifle was the lapua 200 subsonic bullets. Flash holes enlarged to 9/64". WITH 165-GRAIN CAST BULLET. Pressures will be below the maximum allowed for this cartridge and perfectly safe to use! I then work backwards until I reach the subsonic speed I desire. more volume for weight) than your traditional smokeless powders, meaning the . 0:00. I started the 180gr loads seated to the cannelure with 12, 11, and 10 grains of TB. Use more powder and work down. Squirrel and rabbit loads. Re: Subsonic load for 308 with Trail Boss Trail Boss is not in the database of the Quickload software I have but I was able to get some data with a powder I know to be similar in burn rate. I have recently been working up subsonic loads for 308 using Trail boss and TiteGroup with 170gr Sieerra flat noses. Powder choices for subsonic 308? I checked other sites and not many have tried it, and some thought the OP misread the data. My 44 mag Trail boss load with cast 240 gr bullets is 6.0 gr., this is a great youth load and fun for plinking but I do not think it is sub sonic, It is quite a bit louder than the .38 special load I listed above. a lot of he scaremongering about subsonic loads was pre trail boss ! Clays is my go to 38/357 target load with 158 SWC . Any one try Trail Boss? Trail Boss is based on new technology that allows very-high loading density, good flow through powder measures, stability in severe temperature variation, and, most . Trail Boss is designed to be used with lead; with an emphasise placed on economy. Then tried 7.5 grains and plenty of noise again. My thought was to make the jacketed bullets like wide flat nosed cast bullets. SNIP. A 308 cartridge with a 150gr bullet loaded to max (14.0gr) with Trail Boss only produces 27,100 PSI which is way below normal pressure for the 308. Hodgdon Trail Boss is a great smokeless powder for cartridges like the old 45-70 Government or subsonic load in .308 Winchester. I have tried Trail Boss in 17 Hornady Hornet, 223, 243,7mm Rem Mag, 30-06. I have used it in 32 SW - 8mm mauser for light loads. If you don't use enough, you can run into squibs. 1098 1/4 MOA AT 100Y HORNADYS 178 GN ELD-X LAPUA CASE 2. In the four years, I've been reloading, I have only used Trail Boss powder to reload for .45LC pistols and rifles. Here is my data for subsonic 308: Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 16.5" 1:10 Twist Bullet type: Hornady ELD Match Bullet weight : 208 grain Powder type: Trail Boss Load Grain : 11.0 Subsonic Case Length : 2.005" Total length : 2.810" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk they said 7gr. Trail boss powder does it great. The most common .308 subsonic load I know of (and that has been around for many years) is the following: 10 Grains of Trail Boss powder (OR substitute 8.2 gr. www.cavitybackbullets.com. Trail Boss is a good choice. Then fill the case to that mark with Trail Boss, pour into the scale pan and weigh. . 10 gr. Just have to be careful with which powders and quantities you use. Next I will be working on some subsonic loads with this powder and . Due to the supply shortages, I'm not sending any 175 SMKs down range. Can someone with more experi. Thread starter boltgunluvr; Start date . 3,727. marrinup wrote: Trail Boss is for cowboy action guns and for only punching paper, I tried it in my 45-75, 30-30 and 303 and it was a waste of time and effort. Stabilizes just fine. Cavity Back MKZ 195 grain Subsonic 7.62/.308. bullet gives around 850-900 fps and that is about 70% case capacity. I will chronograph each load for a particular gun and write it down in my log book. Trail boss is the way to go. I bet that's what you will end up with. Pressures will be below the maximum allowed for this cartridge and perfectly safe to use! Kiwi here is a quick run down on subsonic .308 ammo. I am looking for data to use some kind of fast powder to safely launch a very heavy .223 bullet downrange at around 1050 FPS. use cast lead. IMR Trail Boss is 100% Smokeless Powder. It reigns supreme in classic, low-velocity cartridges, such as the .45 Colt and the .45-70 Gov't . Chronographed at 1030fps. The 208gr subsonic tumbled but did group at 25m. Load Development. with a 220 gr. Hodgdon does have data for Trail Boss in very light loads for .38-55, .40-65 and .45-70. Not much in the way of great accuracy but at such a low charge it goes a long way. Now is the perfect time to experiment with handy odd stuff. This is your maximum load. I tried the drilled flash hole/Clays or other standard pistol powder loads. i don't know the range your thinking of but you will need to know the range to the target very accurately(the drop is shocking) , and in honesty I think subsonic 308 for fox is a 150m round max as a good sub load should group 2-3 inches at this range. There is NO WAY to get overpressure from a full .308 case with Trail Boss. My first Trail Boss Loads for 223rem. after shooting 308 with Trailboss I wondered why anybody would buy a 300BO,,with the 308 you can make Subsonic ammo with Trailboss and load a number of bullets and powders to reach 1,000 yards if needed,,not so much with the 300BO,, 223 loaded with Bluedot and the 69 SMK makes for some very good subsonic ammo also,,,, M. magnum_99. CHARGE VELOCITY. . Live. I have ZERO fear from Trail Boss. A good manufactured subsonic round at 100 yards or meters should yield a group of .50 to .75 MOA with the fast twist barrels. As you can see, the Trail Boss powder is seriously huge. The main issue I've read about with handloading subsonic .308 is SEE - secondary explosive effect. Please list any subsonic 308 WIN load data below.

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